tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-874580216515087471.post4494002518666965390..comments2024-03-07T17:28:01.972+00:00Comments on Eurobishop: A guest article from Professor Jack McDonald on the Bishops' Statement on same-sex marriageDavid Hamidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01483724916701076899noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-874580216515087471.post-48180257271978115572014-04-03T17:50:47.452+01:002014-04-03T17:50:47.452+01:00For a balanced conservative response see
http://ww...For a balanced conservative response see<br />http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/articles/fulcrum-response-to-the-pilling-report-2/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13639425516514860095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-874580216515087471.post-42543672300238227902014-02-23T21:19:32.777+00:002014-02-23T21:19:32.777+00:00Reply to Father Ron: Thank you for these kind word...Reply to Father Ron: Thank you for these kind words. I really hope and pray that you are right. I'm currently lecturing on the abolition of the slave trade, and I note that it took a very long time for all the Christian ducks to line up in a row against slavery - there is exactly one century between the publication of Charles de Montesquieu's "L'esprit des lois" in 1748 (the first systematic critique of slavery and the principal source of British and American Quaker opposition to slavery) and the final abolition of slavery by the 2nd French Republic in 1848. Regarding the gender and sexuality issues you refer to, I suppose we can expect a learning-curve of similar slow pace. Meanwhile, we have to find a way of being and living together as Anglicans, and I believe this lies in accepting that neither liberal nor conservative visions are strong enough to win outright, and that mutually-respectful accommodations must be reached pending a final just and Christian settlement. Thank you for writing.<br />Jack McDonaldJack McDonaldhttp://www.anglicanchurchleuven.benoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-874580216515087471.post-86892555775847407042014-02-23T09:31:14.929+00:002014-02-23T09:31:14.929+00:00Jack, I can see why you have written on this quest...Jack, I can see why you have written on this question from the point of view of the different Anglican presences in Europe. You are already a fruitful sign of cooperation between what might be called different provincial expressions of Anglicanism The Covenant, some of us believe, was an unwise attempt to secure a unified agreement on Anglican polity on matters where cultural division would seem to inhibit a common mind on, for instance, gender and sexuality issues.<br /><br />While certain provinces of the Church want to declare others to be 'heretical', there can be no koinonia.based on such accusations. However, if provinces could be persuaded to 'agree to disagree' on such matters - as both you and the ABC have suggested might be possible - then there could still be a viable Anglican Communion, based on the old precept of 'Unity in Diversity'. Perhaps Anglicans in Europe could help us towards this goal.Father Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062632692873621258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-874580216515087471.post-82597867807392460852014-02-22T00:39:20.138+00:002014-02-22T00:39:20.138+00:00Reply to Malcolm+: You have interpreted my words a...Reply to Malcolm+: You have interpreted my words at (2) in a sense opposite to their intention! I too opposed the Covenant as an unAnglican attempt to turn the Anglican Communion into a magisterial empire. But that is irrelevant now: the Covenant can never be the unanimous will of the Anglican Communion because several significant provinces have already rejected it. This underlines my point at (1): neither tendency (call them "TEC" and "Gafcon") is strong enough to win, and this should spur us to developing new ways of being Anglican together. In the context of the Diocese in Europe, these ways should allow the Church of England's historic agreements with Old Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed Churches to deepen and grow, since they are more pressing in our context than the Anglican Communion.<br />Jack McDonaldJack McDonaldhttp://www.anglicanchurchleuven.benoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-874580216515087471.post-63208582371160617812014-02-21T14:58:26.528+00:002014-02-21T14:58:26.528+00:00I am not certain what is meant by "an imperia...I am not certain what is meant by "an imperial vision for Anglicanism," nor why such an "imperial," and presumably Constantinian vision would be desirable. I am concerned that the rejection / nonadoption of the Anglican Covenant by several provinces is here being spun as a rejection of the Anglican Communion and Anglican heritage.<br /><br />As one of the founders and leaders of the No Anglican Covenant Coalition, I can assure you that our opposition the the Anglican Covenant was rooted in a profound love of and appreciation for both the Anglican Communion and our Anglican heritage. We oppose the Covenant because we believe it constitutes a radical departure from Anglican ecclesiology in the direction of centralized authority and curial governance. <br /><br />Others are certainly free to disagree with our assessment, but it is disingenuous to spin our opposition to the Covenant as a rejection of the bonds of affection which hold us together.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.com